Discussion about the Sermons of Soma Thero16th December 2003 - Beginning
Hi All,
17th December 2003 - Reply from asoka.fonseka@almarai.com
I do not know you.
17th December 2003 - Reply to asoka.fonseka@almarai.com
I also do not know you. But feel that you are also a typical person who runs aways when real questions are made. You are the one who doesn't know basics. Before looking into those Suttas you try to understand the basics.
17th December 2003 - Reply from asoka.fonseka@almarai.comDearest
Friend These are my replies. Thanks for giving me a
chance. I also do not know you. But feel that you are also a typical
person who runs aways when real questions are made. You are the one who doesn't
know basics. Before looking into those Suttas you try to understand the basics. I feel that you are a theoretical Buddhist who have
not even attempted to on the path. You typically lack in practicality. Basics
are taken from the Three baskets. To understand basics you have to understand
the core. Existing basics are interpretations and people unknowingly think as
basics. Basics though the name applies goes a long way. The basics in Buddhism
are the Ariya Attangika magga-Dana/Seela/ Bhavana; Seela/ Samadhi/ Pagna; Sapta
visuddhi/ Satara satipattana etc. At the lowest level it can be simplified to
pancha seela. Pancha seela too at the narrowest definitions gives a completely
different interpretation. On this we can discuss for days and seems no point..
Start going in the said path for some time with prevailing basics then you will
find that these basics are wrong The name Vishnu or Skanda Kumar is not the matter. When
things come in those Suttas goes near those names you are making them same. The name is not the matter. The concept matters. There are
no Gods in Buddhism has lots of hands and faces. The Vishnu comes in Buddhism
(if I go by the name), is not the one in Hindu Deva concept. You have misunderstood. The concepts of trinity in
Hinduism did not exist during Buddha's time. The existing religion was Vedantism
more generally it was Brahmanism. It is completely different from today's
Hinduism. Read history of Hinduism. During that time the main names relating to
the trinity are all in Buddhist scriptures. Buddha never told to go behind them.
He said about their existence. There more than enough evidence that there are
devas by these said names. Even Shiva, refer to anguttara nikaya where Siva Dev
Puth comes and asks questions from Buddha. Buddha said don't go behind them.
Clear. Refer to skanda purana and relationship with king
Mahanama and Dutugemunu. You cannot challenge the existence even by name. Let
Hindus represent them by many hands/ faces . Why we are worried? If you know the
concept fine. But don't challenge even by name because there is research done
and most critics have concluded the relation in Buddhist scripts. Lead the life
as Buddha said and gods with protect you (which means they can help you!!) Read
Metta sutta/ parinibbana sutta on sapta aparihana dharma of Lichchavis.how gods
can help you (but they cannot change karma). Read Milinda pragna how dreams may
be shown by gods to people of future events. Also you can get things done
through gods, it is a special science. SO Without practicising SEELA even monks
with Athma Dusti cannot understand certain things. So people go behind them.. Buddhist doesn't have any other sarana than Theruwan. Just
try to understand the concepts of Karma and the pancha niyaama dharma. Look into
the Patichcha Samuppada and the Buddhas teaching og mind. Same. Try to understand karma. Learn that karma can
be changed by you. By your great efforts. It is pointless to pray for triple
gem. Go on the path. Niyama dharma is broadly the explanation of the universe.
It has nothing to do with what we discussed. Also karma is not the root cause of
everything. Karma only fall in the in the explanation of causality. There are
certain things call Ahetuka Vipath. Still I feel I am wasting my time with heaps
of official work with me Most of the literature things are not the important things.
People create those Jathaka stories nice to make other read.
I have not
spoken about jataka stories. Still there are core concepts we can get which is
invaluable. Also benefit of most of the people I would like you can take
the matters up from those Suttas. Do not run away by telling the names of those
Suttas. If you want to argue, fine. But you will go nowhere
without practicing. I have been arguing directly and I have the capacity to do
so. There is no problem. Also you have run away from most of the things I have stated
about racism and protecting the buddhism and etc. It is not just about Devas. I have been working in this stream of activities
for long time in SL. I know all the in and outs of the Buddhist monks. Don't try
to teach me. I have been actively involved in these against churchnism. The
strategy to safeguard Buddhism is been changing. Now the I have been working on propagating Buddhism in
various ways. The path and the mentality of most of you have to be changed,
unless Hinduism/ Buddhism never says to pray Gods. It is not that Soma Thero
said that there is no Gods. What he said was there are Gods, but they are not
the ones with lots of hands and faces like Katharagama and Vishnu. Why don't you
understand this. You are the person with preconclusive mind. If you have valid
points take them up. I have answered this People like you always run out saying things like "I
can use that time for more benefit",
you don't have valid points. Again, baseless/ invalid statements. Still I feel I
have spent my valuable time which I could have more effectively used for the
betterment of Religion. All the other religion people things about their religion
and protect it. But when Buddhists trying to do it people like you say that it
is racism. You say Buddhism is not belong to us. So you want let anyone do
anything to that and keep watching till it getting destroyed. Buddhism does not belong to us. It belongs to the
whole world. You are trying to own it. Mage'ya , Ape' ya,
, Mage jathiya'ya which was called by the BUDDHA as ATHMAVADA.. As your Scientist says, ( Einstein knows very
little; see Mula madyama karika- by Nagarjuna in Mahayana sect and Brahma Sutta
in Hindusm to find about Relativity theory preached years ago...) Buddhism is a
cosmic religion. It is the explanation of the whole universe. It is a philosophy
as well as a religion. That is why Lord Buddha said (I think you are a Buddhist)
people from the same will try to destroy this doctrine. Correct what Buddha said was that Mahaneni, anagataye budusasuna vinasha wane mitya
dustikayan visin novei. Mage sasane shramanayan athin mai. Owun ma wadala deya novadala hatiyatath Nowadala deya wadala hatiyatath deshana karanawa. That is what SOMA thero has done!! If you can answer my things. Also it is true that these
cannot be spoken through emails (may be you are making it an excuse). But you
and I know that there is no practicle possiblity to meet. Also we can discuss
these things through emails. Why not.. I am coming next Monday. I may not be so good as the Buddha argued with
Sacchchaka/ or like Nagasena araht argued with king Milindu. But I will still
destroy your false perception. But
do you think it is the way to find the truth? You are mistaken my friend please do not run away. Come to the points.
MAHANENI MAGE
DHARMAYA VASUNE NOMA BABALAI
NO VASUNE MA BABALAI Read Buddhist
scripts. Practice your way. Overthrow Sathkaya dushti (Athma vada), And Attain
the Supreme state of Nibbana.
May you be overwhelmed with compassion!!! Ashok
17th December 2003 - Reply to asoka.fonseka@almarai.com
See
Text in this color Dearest Friend These
are my replies. Thanks for giving me a chance. I also do not know
you. But feel that you are also a typical person who runs aways when real
questions are made. You are the one who doesn't know basics. Before looking into
those Suttas you try to understand the basics. I feel that you are a theoretical Buddhist who have
not even attempted to on the path. We always think we are correct. You
tell me that I am theoretical. I tell you that you are so. Anyway not that
important. I
am agreeing with you about the most you have stated in this mail. I think you
have misunderstood Soma Thero and me. Or there must be some other reason for you
to dislike Soma Thero. I find that there are no much conflicts between your
sayings and Soma Theros sayings. It’s like 50-50 which is possible in any
general case. You typically lack in practicality. No
Basics are
taken from the Three baskets.
I agree To understand basics you have to understand the
core. Existing basics are interpretations and people unknowingly think as
basics. Basics though the name applies goes a long way. The basics in Buddhism
are the Ariya Attangika magga-Dana/Seela/ Bhavana; Seela/ Samadhi/ Pagna; Sapta
visuddhi/ Satara satipattana etc. At the lowest level it can be simplified to
pancha seela. Pancha seela too at the narrowest definitions gives a completely
different interpretation. I agree. On this we can discuss for days and seems no
point.. Start going in the said path for some time with prevailing basics then
you will find that these basics are wrong Also,
It is not that eating meat is violating the first precept. I or Soma Thero or
did not say so. Also eating meat is not a Sin. But if you can stop eating meat
then you might me helping to save one animals life in a round way. Also people
have no right to kill animals for their meat. That was what I meant before. The name Vishnu or Skanda Kumar is not the matter. When
things come in those Suttas goes near those names you are making them same. The name is not the matter. The concept matters. There are
no Gods in Buddhism has lots of hands and faces. The Vishnu comes in Buddhism
(if I go by the name), is not the one in Hindu Deva concept. You have misunderstood. The concepts of trinity in
Hinduism did not exist during Buddha's time. Absolutely
and I agree with it 100%. I don’t say that those Devas came to Buddism from
Hinduism. The existing religion was Vedantism more generally
it was Brahmanism. It is completely different from today's Hinduism. Read
history of Hinduism. During that time the main names relating to the trinity are
all in Buddhist scriptures. Buddha never told to go behind them. He said about
their existence. Yes There more than enough evidence that there are
devas by these said names. Even Shiva, refer to anguttara nikaya where Siva Dev
Puth comes and asks questions from Buddha. Buddha said don't go behind them.
Clear. Yes, but how do you say the God Shiva
whom is prayed by Hindu is the same of Siva Dev Puth. As you said Buddha said
not to go behind them. That is exactly the same Soma Thero told to these people.
So what is your problem? No matter those Devas are same or not, they way Hindus
take them and the way Buddhists take them is different. When Buddhists take them
as Hindus do, that is what Soma Thero was talking about. I feel that you haven’t heard Soma
Theros preaching. Refer to skanda purana and relationship with king
Mahanama and Dutugemunu. You cannot challenge the existence even by name. No
I am not. I am not challenging the existence. Can you understand? I am
challenging about Buddhist people going after them. Let Hindus represent them by many hands/ faces .
Why we are worried? Absolutely If you know the concept fine. But don't challenge
even by name because there is research done and most critics have concluded the
relation in Buddhist scripts. Lead the life as Buddha said and gods with protect
you (which means they can help you!! ) In this case yes they protect you. But
you have to say how my friend. Reason is people misunderstood. Not by giving
Pujaa Watti. Not by praying. But by good behavior of our own. By doing merits
and giving the merit to the Gods also. Then they bless us. If we have merits
with us we can get those blessings. But when something happens (when sick),
just because you go and pray for Shiva you cannot get anything. The god there is
the Doctor. There is no conflict. Read Metta sutta/ parinibbana sutta on sapta
aparihana dharma of Lichchavis.how gods can help you (but they cannot change
karma). That
is my point some Karmas can be changed some are not. Also Karma is not the only
thing. (Dhitta Damma Wedaneeya, Upa Pajja Wdaneeya, Aparaapareeya and Ahosi
Karma also there) Read Milinda pragna how dreams may be shown by gods
to people of future events. Also you can get things done through gods, it is a
special science. Yes those are specials sciences. Not
only by Gods, but also by Bhutha Pretha also. Those are science. Buddha said not
to go after those. What Soam Thero told also same. We don’t need to worship them. If we
are good they bless and help us. Just because we worship them they don’t help
us. But in other religions they worship them and think that they get things from
the gods. It’s ok for other religions people but not for us. SO Without practicising SEELA even monks with Athma
Dusti cannot understand certain things. So people go behind them.. Absolutely.
That is what I am telling over and over again and also Soma Thero. So there is
no conflict. You don’t need to ask help from Gods. If you practice SEELA then
you get help. Buddhist
doesn't have any other sarana than Theruwan. Just try to understand the concepts
of Karma and the pancha niyaama dharma. Look into the Patichcha Samuppada and
the Buddhas teaching og mind. Same. Try to understand karma. Learn that karma can
be changed by you. By your great efforts. I
know and I agree. It is pointless to pray for triple gem. Yes,
so what is the conflict? This is what I say. Even to triple Gem we don’t have
to pay. Sarana means following the path. Go on the path. Niyama dharma is broadly the
explanation of the universe. It has nothing to do with what we discussed. Also
karma is not the root cause of everything. Why
I got Niyama is to show that Karama is not the only thing. All these things come
when deciding something. Karma
only fall in the in the explanation of causality. There are certain things call
Ahetuka Vipath. I
know and I agree. Still I feel I am wasting my time with heaps of
official work with me I
too have lots of official work here, but I think these discussions are very much
needed. For a moment think that I am a person who knows nothing. In that case
you are lighting me up. Then you are like giving me a Dharma Dhana. Then if you
say you are wasting your time it is too bad. Anyway who ever is wrong or correct
these discussion are needed. Most of the literature things are not the important things.
People create those Jathaka stories nice to make other read.
I have not
spoken about jataka stories. Still there are core concepts we can get which is
invaluable. Ok.
Also benefit of most of the people I would like you can take
the matters up from those Suttas. Do not run away by telling the names of those
Suttas. If you want to argue, fine. But you will go nowhere
without practicing. I have been arguing directly and I have the capacity to do
so. There is no problem. Good.
In fact I would like to use the word discussion. Also you have run away from most of the things I have stated
about racism and protecting the buddhism and etc. It is not just about Devas. I have been working in this stream of activities
for long time in SL. I know all the in and outs of the Buddhist monks. Don't try
to teach me. I have been actively involved in these against churchnism. The
strategy to safeguard Buddhism is been changing. Now the Temple of Kandy get
many to Robes from the tamil race (ask them if you don't know). Great,
and are you a person we know? Also I appreciate you effort and I also want to
support it from my capacity. We have to have Buddhist monks from this race.
Buddhism cannot be owned by any race. I
know and I agree. Racism is on the verge of collapse (Sinhala
Buddhist concept- only correct path is Theravada?? Only saviors of Buddhism are
the Sinhala race..?? nonsence. Was dharma asoka a Sinhalese, was dalai lama a
Sinhalese? Was Buddha Gosa acharya a Sinhalese? When Buddhism was in extinct
thanks to Miyanmar for sending Sangha to re-establish Buddhism). Race -Jatiya
has been clearly described by Buddha in Sutta Nipata, Vasetta Sutta.. What you say is correct. In that case
Buddhism was not born in SL. Then this completely something out from us. Your
examples are long time ago. (Asoka, Dalali Lama…..). Not only Sri Lankans are
left. There may be rare cases abroad, but not in huge manner. I again say saving Buddhism by
Sinhalese is not Racism. I have been working on propagating Buddhism in
various ways. The path and the mentality of most of you have to be changed,
unless Hinduism/ Christianity would overgrow in SL. Yep,
but not mine, but most of the people. Buddhism never says to pray Gods. It is not that Soma Thero
said that there is no Gods. What he said was there are Gods, but they are not
the ones with lots of hands and faces like Katharagama and Vishnu. Why don't you
understand this. You are the person with preconclusive mind. If you have valid
points take them up. I
have answered this People like you always run out saying things like "I
can use that time for more benefit",
you don't have valid points. Again, baseless/ invalid statements. Still I feel I
have spent my valuable time which I could have more effectively used for the
betterment of Religion. If
you think so it is too bad, as you want to express things only to the people
accepts you, not to the ones who says something against your ideas. All the other religion people things about their religion
and protect it. But when Buddhists trying to do it people like you say that it
is racism. You say Buddhism is not belong to us. So you want let anyone do
anything to that and keep watching till it getting destroyed. Buddhism does not belong to us. It belongs to the
whole world. I
know and I agree, but now we have the responsibility to protect. In earlier the
person who has the tooth relic owned the Crown. It says that SL has some big
responsibility. You are trying to own it. Mage'ya , Ape' ya,
, Mage jathiya'ya which was called by the BUDDHA as ATHMAVADA.. No I am not. Niether Soma Thero. Trying
to protect it. Also I know what Athma Waadaya is. Ok then according to that if
all the monks went to the forest to meditate and attend Nibbana, so who is going
to protect this. Desire (Thanhaawa) is there till you attend Nibbana. If you are
propagating Buddhism it is also the desire. But you have to do it. Even to
attend Nibban you must have the desire to attend it (Thanhaawa nathi karanna
thanhaawa nathi kireeme thanhaawa thiyenna ona) So mamathwaya is there. What is wrongs
is if it is there too much. So you have to have limits. Protecting Buddhism is
not Mamathwaya. As your Scientist says, ( Einstein knows very
little; see Mula madyama karika- by Nagarjuna in Mahayana sect and Brahma Sutta
in Hindusm to find about Relativity theory preached years ago...) Buddhism is a
cosmic religion. It is the explanation of the whole universe. It is a philosophy
as well as a religion. Here also I have to say something. I
have stated the name of Einstein, just to show that even those people have
talked about these. But as you say compared to things in Buddhism Einstein is no
one. Also most of the scientific things people find present have been found by
Buddha long time ago. Also Science is something evolve by
breaking old theories. So equaling Science and Buddhism is not something not
done as Buddhism is an Universal truth. That is why Lord Buddha said (I think you are a Buddhist)
people from the same will try to destroy this doctrine. Correct what Buddha said was that Mahaneni, anagataye budusasuna vinasha wane mitya
dustikayan visin novei. Mage sasane shramanayan athin mai. Owun ma wadala deya novadala hatiyatath Nowadala deya wadala hatiyatath deshana karanawa. That is what SOMA thero has done!! No
you are wrong. I can’t understand why do you say so. I think you haven’t
heard his preaching completely or else you have some other problem with him. If you can answer my things. Also it is true that these
cannot be spoken through emails (may be you are making it an excuse). But you
and I know that there is no practicle possiblity to meet. Also we can discuss
these things through emails. Why
not.. I am coming next Monday. I may not be so good as the Buddha argued with
Sacchchaka/ or like Nagasena araht argued with king Milindu. But I will still
destroy your false perception. But
do you think it is the way to find the truth? You are mistaken my friend No
it is not the correct way. No point of arguing. That is why I said I don’t
want to say this is an argument but discussion. please do not run away. Come to the points.
MAHANENI MAGE
DHARMAYA VASUNE NOMA BABALAI
NO VASUNE MA BABALAI Read Buddhist
scripts. Practice your way. Overthrow Sathkaya dushti (Athma vada), And Attain
the Supreme state of Nibbana.
May you be overwhelmed with compassion!!!
Thank
you! Reply from asoka.fonseka@almarai.comOK
fine. SEEMS to be on track now. Dearest Friend These
are my replies. Thanks for giving me a chance. I also do not know
you. But feel that you are also a typical person who runs aways when real
questions are made. You are the one who doesn't know basics. Before looking into
those Suttas you try to understand the basics. I feel that you are a theoretical Buddhist who have
not even attempted to on the path. We always
think we are correct. You tell me that I am theoretical. I tell you that you are
so. Anyway not that important. Yes I am agreeing with you about the most you have stated in this
mail. I think you have misunderstood Soma Thero and me. Or there must be some
other reason for you to dislike Soma Thero. I find that there are no much
conflicts between your sayings and Soma Theros sayings. It's like 50-50 which is
possible in any general case. I know
Soma Thero well. I know also his history. I know also his life. I know a lot
which don't want to unveil because I don't like other religious sects knowing
about it. His work as a social refiner as I call is great. Well, the points he
stressed on is not much important to me. All Buddhists who go to the temple know
that worshipping devas and offerings to them is not the path to Nirvana. But
they may have problems(weak mind) and the psychology of humans are that if there
is a LIVING entity they trust on it more than the Buddha who has passed away. It
is only a temporary relievement for them. Also they go to the Buddha shrine as
well. There is no fuss to create. If you need a help you may go to a friend.
Similarly as Gods live by incense, smell of fruits etc. they could help if you
make a offering. But according the Doctrine, the most valuable offering is the
transfer of merits by an act like Ata visi Buddha puja, compassion meditation,
Vipassana meditation so on (Abhidamma pitaka ranks the meritorial order). Soma
thero challenged that you cannot get help from Devas. I am stressing this point
because I have had many experiences on this. I never worship Devas (of course if
you like you may). But I know that they could help humans. There are innumerable
cases in Buddhist scripts where Devas have helped humans.
I do strongly believe and experience it. If somebody tries to negate it
and throw harsh words on Gods remember that there could be adverse effects. You typically lack in practicality. No
Basics are
taken from the Three baskets.
I agree To understand basics you have to understand the
core. Existing basics are interpretations and people unknowingly think as
basics. Basics though the name applies goes a long way. The basics in Buddhism
are the Ariya Attangika magga-Dana/Seela/ Bhavana; Seela/ Samadhi/ Pagna; Sapta
visuddhi/ Satara satipattana etc. At the lowest level it can be simplified to
pancha seela. Pancha seela too at the narrowest definitions gives a completely
different interpretation. I agree. On this we can discuss for days and seems no
point.. Start going in the said path for some time with prevailing basics then
you will find that these basics are wrong Also, It is not that eating meat is violating the first precept.
I or Soma Thero or did not say so. Also eating meat is not a Sin. But if you can
stop eating meat then you might me helping to save one animals life in a round
way. Also people have no right to kill animals for their meat. That was what I
meant before.
Meat is
carcase. First question is can humans eat carcase? Will a Buddha eat carcase?? Manasa usas lesa wediya haki bavin 'manussa' nam ve Again the narrow definition of the 1st precept-
I don't kill live creatures?? A more broader definition.. OK I don't kill I support
killing. How? By eating. The
broader definition is that ' refrain from KILLING, refrain from instructing
OTHERS to KILL, refrain from supporting (meat eating), stay happily in slaughter
field looking at it (see APADANA pali how Buddha suffered from a head ache due
to such an incident in the previous birth- PRAVURTHI VIPAKA), refrain from
praising the slaughter.. SEE HOW
IT GOES Read
JEEVAKA sutta on TRIKOTIKA PARISUDDHA MANSHA, read Lankavatara sutta- mahayana
sect, read Matsya jataka, read Anguttara Nikaya CHatuka Nipatha on many such
cases... Best part
is that you bless 'may all beings be happy' . Fish is also a creature and eat
the innocent creature for lunch. What a dilemma! The
samsara so long and all creatures present have been our mother/fathers/ sisters/
loved ones... so we eat their flesh! Absurd.. The name Vishnu or Skanda Kumar is not the matter. When
things come in those Suttas goes near those names you are making them same. The name is not the matter. The concept matters. There are
no Gods in Buddhism has lots of hands and faces. The Vishnu comes in Buddhism
(if I go by the name), is not the one in Hindu Deva concept. You have misunderstood. The concepts of trinity in
Hinduism did not exist during Buddha's time. Absolutely and I agree with it 100%. I don't say that those Devas
came to Buddism from Hinduism. The existing religion was Vedantism more generally
it was Brahmanism. It is completely different from today's Hinduism. Read
history of Hinduism. During that time the main names relating to the trinity are
all in Buddhist scriptures. Buddha never told to go behind them. He said about
their existence. Yes There more than enough evidence that there are
devas by these said names. Even Shiva, refer to anguttara nikaya where Siva Dev
Puth comes and asks questions from Buddha. Buddha said don't go behind them.
Clear. Yes, but how
do you say the God Shiva whom is prayed by Hindu is the same of Siva Dev Puth.
As you said Buddha said not to go behind them. That is exactly the same Soma
Thero told to these people. So what is your problem? No matter those Devas are
same or not, they way Hindus take them and the way Buddhists take them is
different. When Buddhists take them as Hindus do, that is what Soma Thero was
talking about. I feel that
you haven't heard Soma Theros preaching. I said
that during Buddhas time there was no Shiva concept in Hinduism. Most sects
emerged lately. What I say is that Siva concept in Hinduism is different. The
Siva described in Buddhism may have had the origin for the Hindus as this god
lived in the high mountains. Even if it does not have there may be such a god/
deva in
Refer to skanda purana and relationship with king
Mahanama and Dutugemunu. You cannot challenge the existence even by name. No I am not. I am not challenging the existence. Can you
understand? I am challenging about Buddhist people going after them. I hope
you get a chance to experience some things in the future.
Let people get help if they need. Also,
Monks are there to show the path. What they know about family problems, child
birth, how to make birth control etc..? The
robe is a symbol that he has understood the suffering of samsara and he is on
his way. Not to discuss family/ women problems on public as Soma thero. Let Hindus represent them by many hands/ faces .
Why we are worried? Absolutely If you know the concept fine. But don't challenge
even by name because there is research done and most critics have concluded the
relation in Buddhist scripts. Lead the life as Buddha said and gods with protect
you (which means they can help you!! ) In this case
yes they protect you. But you have to say how my friend. Reason is people
misunderstood. Not by giving Pujaa Watti. Not by praying. But by good behavior
of our own. By doing merits and giving the merit to the Gods also. Then they
bless us. If we have merits with us we can get those blessings.
Yes. But when
something happens (when sick), just because you go and pray for Shiva you cannot
get anything. The god there is the Doctor. There is no conflict. Again you
are challenging. Depends on what kind of ailment. Have you ever heard of Yaksha
, Bhutha Dosa? Do you ever have experience Gurukam? See Brahmajala Sutta
deega Nikaya for such sciences. Read Metta sutta/ parinibbana sutta on sapta
aparihana dharma of Lichchavis.how gods can help you (but they cannot change
karma). That is my point some Karmas can be changed some are not. Also
Karma is not the only thing. (Dhitta Damma Wedaneeya, Upa Pajja Wdaneeya,
Aparaapareeya and Ahosi Karma also there) There
16 facets of karma. How the reaction is by place, by time, by birth , by nature
each 4. Thatagatayani,
mata nam hondatama karmaya watahenawa Anandaya,
ese nokiyanna. Karmaya itha gamburui. Avabodhayata itha dushkarai... Read Milinda pragna how dreams may be shown by gods
to people of future events. Also you can get things done through gods, it is a
special science. Yes those are
specials sciences. Not only by Gods, but also by Bhutha Pretha also. Those are
science. Buddha said not to go after those. What Soam Thero told also same. We don't need
to worship them. If we are good they bless and help us. Just because we worship
them they don't help us. But in other religions they worship them and think that
they get things from the gods. It's ok for other religions people but not for
us. Yes SO Without practicising SEELA even monks with Athma
Dusti cannot understand certain things. So people go behind them.. Absolutely. That is what I am telling over and over again and
also Soma Thero. So there is no conflict. You don't need to ask help from Gods.
If you practice SEELA then you get help. Yes.
They would help you whether you ask or not. WHICH means they protect you. Which
means you have help from them.
Buddhist
doesn't have any other sarana than Theruwan. Just try to understand the concepts
of Karma and the pancha niyaama dharma. Look into the Patichcha Samuppada and
the Buddhas teaching og mind. Same. Try to understand karma. Learn that karma can
be changed by you. By your great efforts. I know and I agree. It is pointless to pray for triple gem. Yes, so what is the conflict? This is what I say. Even to triple
Gem we don't have to pay. Sarana means following the path. There are many interpretations on Buddha/ Dhamma/ Sanga
saranei. See Anguttara nikaya
Go on the path. Niyama dharma is broadly the
explanation of the universe. It has nothing to do with what we discussed. Also
karma is not the root cause of everything. Why I got Niyama is to show that Karama is not the only thing.
All these things come when deciding something. Karma
only fall in the in the explanation of causality. There are certain things call
Ahetuka Vipath. I know and I agree. Still I feel I am wasting my time with heaps of
official work with me I too have lots of official work here, but I think these
discussions are very much needed. For a moment think that I am a person who
knows nothing. In that case you are lighting me up. Then you are like giving me
a Dharma Dhana. Then if you say you are wasting your time it is too bad. Anyway
who ever is wrong or correct these discussion are needed. The waves of the ocean flow to the shore. It breaks into
parts. And new waves emerge from the same water. There is no end to questions
and arguments/ discussions., unless there is realization. At the point of
realization there is calmness and bliss and no more waves would rise. It is hard
to describe this state. At this juncture the description of 'self' is void. What
more can be about 'sinhalese- buddhist' concept? Most of the literature things are not the important things.
People create those Jathaka stories nice to make other read.
I have not
spoken about jataka stories. Still there are core concepts we can get which is
invaluable. Ok.
Also benefit of most of the people I would like you can take
the matters up from those Suttas. Do not run away by telling the names of those
Suttas. If you want to argue, fine. But you will go nowhere
without practicing. I have been arguing directly and I have the capacity to do
so. There is no problem. Good. In fact I would like to use the word discussion. Also you have run away from most of the things I have stated
about racism and protecting the buddhism and etc. It is not just about Devas. I have been working in this stream of activities
for long time in SL. I know all the in and outs of the Buddhist monks. Don't try
to teach me. I have been actively involved in these against churchnism. The
strategy to safeguard Buddhism is been changing. Now the Great, and are you a person we know? Also I appreciate you effort
and I also want to support it from my capacity. We have to have Buddhist monks from this race.
Buddhism cannot be owned by any race. I know and I agree. Racism is on the verge of collapse (Sinhala
Buddhist concept- only correct path is Theravada?? Only saviors of Buddhism are
the Sinhala race..?? nonsence. Was dharma asoka a Sinhalese, was dalai lama a
Sinhalese? Was Buddha Gosa acharya a Sinhalese? When Buddhism was in extinct
thanks to Miyanmar for sending Sangha to re-establish Buddhism). Race -Jatiya
has been clearly described by Buddha in Sutta Nipata, Vasetta Sutta.. What you say
is correct. In that case Buddhism was not born in SL. Then this completely
something out from us. Your examples are long time ago. (Asoka, Dalali
Lama.....). Not only Sri Lankans are left. There may be rare cases abroad, but
not in huge manner. I again say
saving Buddhism by Sinhalese is not Racism. Save Buddhism as a Buddhist. I
don't know whether I am Sinhalese. How can I know? Is there any extra part in my
body which tamils do not have? Or is it just because I speak that language? Or
is it because I have it in my B/certificate?
I have been working on propagating Buddhism in
various ways. The path and the mentality of most of you have to be changed,
unless Hinduism/ Christianity would overgrow in SL. Yep, but not mine, but most of the people. Buddhism never says to pray Gods. It is not that Soma Thero
said that there is no Gods. What he said was there are Gods, but they are not
the ones with lots of hands and faces like Katharagama and Vishnu. Why don't you
understand this. You are the person with preconclusive mind. If you have valid
points take them up. I
have answered this People like you always run out saying things like "I
can use that time for more benefit",
you don't have valid points. Again, baseless/ invalid statements. Still I feel I
have spent my valuable time which I could have more effectively used for the
betterment of Religion. If you think so it is too bad, as you want to express things only
to the people accepts you, not to the ones who says something against your
ideas. OK, now I discuss with you.
All the other religion people things about their religion
and protect it. But when Buddhists trying to do it people like you say that it
is racism. You say Buddhism is not belong to us. So you want let anyone do
anything to that and keep watching till it getting destroyed. Buddhism does not belong to us. It belongs to the
whole world. I know and I agree, but now we have the responsibility to
protect. In earlier the person who has the tooth relic owned the Crown. It says
that SL has some big responsibility. You are trying to own it. Mage'ya , Ape' ya,
, Mage jathiya'ya which was called by the BUDDHA as ATHMAVADA.. No I am not.
Niether Soma Thero. Trying to protect it. Also I know what Athma Waadaya is. Ok
then according to that if all the monks went to the forest to meditate and
attend Nibbana, so who is going to protect this. Desire (Thanhaawa) is there
till you attend Nibbana. If you are propagating Buddhism it is also the desire.
But you have to do it. Even to attend Nibban you must have the desire to attend
it (Thanhaawa nathi karanna thanhaawa nathi kireeme thanhaawa thiyenna ona) WRONG.
Desire is defined as the attachments to worldly things. (KAMA/ BHAVA/VI-BHAVA) All
attempts out of it and making others out of the Samasaric flow is KARUNAWA. Getting out of Samsara is an
attempt to quit out of suffering (having realized it) . Nibbana is this
end-state. It is the understanding of suffering and the struggle to get out of
it. There is no desire there and is only craving. Somebody is giving wrong
interpretations to you. Again clergy with no path I assume..
So mamathwaya
is there. What is wrongs is if it is there too much. So you have to have limits.
Protecting Buddhism is not Mamathwaya. Once you
have crossed the river, will you ever walk the Paruwa on your head? This is for
arahats. For us,
protect Buddhism in a peaceful way. Learn dharma and guide people directly, but
practice it!! As your Scientist says, ( Einstein knows very
little; see Mula madyama karika- by Nagarjuna in Mahayana sect and Brahma Sutta
in Hindusm to find about Relativity theory preached years ago...) Buddhism is a
cosmic religion. It is the explanation of the whole universe. It is a philosophy
as well as a religion. Here also I
have to say something. I have stated the name of Einstein, just to show that
even those people have talked about these. But as you say compared to things in
Buddhism Einstein is no one. Also most of the scientific things people find
present have been found by Buddha long time ago. Also Science
is something evolve by breaking old theories. So equaling Science and Buddhism
is not something not done as Buddhism is an Universal truth. YES That is why Lord Buddha said (I think you are a Buddhist)
people from the same will try to destroy this doctrine. Correct what Buddha said was that Mahaneni, anagataye budusasuna vinasha wane mitya
dustikayan visin novei. Mage sasane shramanayan athin mai. Owun ma wadala deya novadala hatiyatath Nowadala deya wadala hatiyatath deshana karanawa. That is what SOMA thero has done!! No you are wrong. I can't understand why do you say so. I think
you haven't heard his preaching completely or else you have some other problem
with him.
He is too
harsh as a priest. He used wrong strategy to preach people..
Has he preached effectively that THIS IS THE WAY.? What he mainly said was THIS IS NOT THE WAY |